When I asked readers to submit questions on my Ask Ellie 3.0 post, a handful of you asked about vaccinations and whether we plan to have our son vaccinated, and that wasn’t the first time that we received that inquiry. It’s a bit of a hot button issue, but Mr. Handsome and I decided to tackle it in a video blog (posted below).
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Thank goodness you did decide to vaccinate. You are, now, not putting your little one at risk for the many diseases that deleted whole towns and caused great suffering. You will also not be putting anyone else’s children at risk. I do not know why people are against vaxxing. The stuff most people put into their children’s bodies and souls are much, much worse than vaccinating!!!!
I agree! I had no doubt that with Ellie’s husband being in the scientific field, they would have known what’s best.
Have your opinion if you must, but please do not assume that an unvaccinated person puts others at risk. This is a dangerous mindset that encourages a Jim Crow mentality as though unvaccinated people are “less than” or “diseased” and deserve to be separated from the population. A person cannot spread a disease they do not have. Furthermore, “herd immunity” is a concept that can only be achieved by natural illness circulating in a community. Due to the way vaccines wear off, there has never been herd immunity in the population due to vaccination. Hence 100% of college mumps cases were vaccinated, and 100% of pertussis at Harvard-Westlake highschool were recently vaccinated in 7th grade. 40% of Disneyland measles in 2015 were vaccine-strain. With nutritional support, the body can clear out viruses handily. Vitamins A, D, and C are known to clear viruses such as flu, measles, chickenpox, and pertussis.
I agree with you Jamie! My Dr , who is against vaccines by the way, encourages measles play parties (like chicken pox “parties”) if it’s someone you know or if it’s going around in your circles/community. Everything you said he has told me. And this is a renowned DR. People come from other states to see him.
Play parties?!? Measles and chicken pox can and do KILL.
10:35, sure if you aren’t properly treated. As long as you don’t have any preexisting medical conditions you’ll be fine.
An unvaccinated person puts others at a lot of risk! That’s not a mindset, that’s a fact.
Laura, that is an opinion. How does a child who does not have measles pose more of a threat to children than a child who was just vaccinated and for a few weeks is capable of giving other children measles, even if they aren’t exhibiting any symptoms?
The measles outbreak here in SE MI was caused by unvaccinated people. I had to spend 3 weeks at home, in quarantine with my child who is too young to vaccinate all because unvaccinated people spread a preventable disease around the community. So yes, unvaccinated people put others at risk.
5:46, the measeals is not going to kill you or your child. If you get it take vitamin A like they will tell you to at literally any hospital you could go to. We don’t live in the dark ages where people getting diseases were malnourished and didn’t have ways to treat themselves. Also you can’t just magically get the measles, they got it from someone who was carrying it, and that was most likely from someone who had recently been vaccinated.
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Yes it is true a healthy person won’t die from the measles, but what about my grandmother who we frequently visit? She has cancer and measles could be devastating to her. So I had to think of the larger picture when I chose to quarantine my baby so he wouldn’t be able to spread the disease on to his cancer patient great-grandmother.
This topic is really interesting to me, because I see that in the US there is a lot of controversy around it. Where I come from (Costa Rica), vaccines for kids are mandatory. If you don’t vaccinate your kid, you can literally go to jail or get your kids taken away! There is an official vaccination scheme. Not all vaccines are mandatory, only the most important. And they are spaced out throughout a kids life. For instance, they get some at two months, some at 6 months, some at 12 months and so on. Because you have to get two or three dosages, you can’t give them all at once so they are distributed until 10 years old. Al the mandatory vaccines are covered by public insurance, so they are available for everybody for free. And then there are some you can get as an adult as a reinforcement. For instance, you have to get a tetanus shot ir you are pregnant. This one is also free for all adults every ten years, as well as the flu shot for every person in a risk group (kids, pregnant women, senior citizens, etc.). So as you can see, here in Costa Rica is a non issue. You vaccinate your kids, period! There is no option! Even if you are a foreigner that comes to live here, you have to do it as well. Specially if your kids are going to school. Both private and public schools will ask for your kids vaccine record in order to allow you to enroll them. It is that important here!
That is fantastic. I wish it was the law here in Canada. Why on earth can anti-vax parents get away with, firstly, risking their child, and secondly, risking someone else’s life or health, with multitude of diseases that once wiped out entire towns!!! Seriously, the more educated we get, the more dangerous it is. Because we are REGRESSING. Thank you, Ellie and husband, for choosing the proper route and thank you, Marce, for commenting from Costa Rica!! So interesting!
In the Netherlands the situation is very similar as the lady from Costa Rica described, though vaccines are not yet mandatory. The vaccinations for children are spread out to about twelve years of age. They are also free. But even here this begins to be more of a hot topic. I must say that I am pro-vaccination. A lot of the diseases don’t have that big of an impact anymore because of vaccines. But I think it is a good thing parents are more aware of what they’re doing now. Doing your own research and forming your own opinions is not a bad thing. I think we need to remember we can disagree and still be respectful towards each other. Especially in discussing topic like these where a lot of feelings are involved.
Anyway, thank you, Ellie and Mr Handsome, for answering this question. I found it interesting to hear your reasons.
That’s disgusting that a parent can go to jail for not vaccinating their child. My little sister CAN NOT receive any more vaccines, she had them when she was a baby, and even followed a spaced out schedule being of some sever reactions our family has had, but when she was a toddler she became extremely sick after getting her boosters, and now will have lifelong problems because of it. My children will not be vaccinated as I personally have done more research on them.
I’m sorry that your little sister had such a bad reaction which has had a chronic effect on her health. I know that no words of mine will change your opinion and I will not try. That being said, I feel compelled to mention that statistically, very few people have such a reaction to those who have the vaccine and many lives are saved because of them. My son is fully vaccinated and my OH and I get a flu vaccine every year. To me, it’s not worth the risk of not vaccinating. Measles can cause brain damage and even death. Many of the virus’ that these vaccines are created for can be deadly. Unfortunately, there is also a lot of misinformation about the safety of vaccines, which has been scientifically and medically debunked.
5:25, see the thing is, it’s simply not true that “very few people have bad reactions to vaccines”. The CDC pays out BILLIONS of dollars every year to families with vaccine injuries. Vaccines in America have never undergone double blind placebo testing, and have never been proven to be safe. They have even been labeled “unavoidably UNSAFE by the Supreme Court. I’m glad that your child has no vaccine injuries (that you know of) but that does not take away from the fact that they are not safe.
Proud of you for going public, doing your research, and standing by the best protection you can give your baby! This faithful, baby-focused, PhD mama found vaccines to be the easiest parental medical decision, despite the heart-tug of needles. SO important. It’s not even a close call, and every piece of credible research supports the efficacy and importance of vaccines as life saving to Little Buddy and everyone around him. As critical to preventive protection as seatbelts, car seats, bike helmets and sleep/good food. Yay for doing your research and working with your doctor and protecting your baby!!
I appreciate your open viewpoints and respecting other’s choices. I hope others can do the same for you.
I just wanted to say how thoughtful I think it is of you guys as parents to consider your son’s future career choices. As someone who is going into the medical field, I can say that I am so grateful my parents vaccinated me as a baby/child. It sure saves me a lot of extra sticks as an adult. I can now serve the Lord and help others without putting myself in danger 🙂
Well at least you are spacing it out. That’s good to hear. I have a dr that’s against giving them to babies, but have them grow up a little to where their small bodies can handle it. (Toddler-preschool to on up) When my youngest was born we wanted to wait a little and then I developed some health issues and before I knew it and remembered, she was 8 years old when we had to go in to do some vaccines before traveling! Her body well adjusted to the vaccines at that age and we were happy we ended up waiting anyway. And my dr thought it was great. I’m not so against having vaccines just against introducing them to a very small body.
The sugar lump vaccine for polio was available in 1961. I remember as a young child my mother taking me someplace and we ate this lump of sugar. All I knew at the time was it was going to keep us from getting real sick. Jane Renae
We had a small vial of sweet red liquid placed under our tongues when the polio vaccine first came out. I remember the polio panic in the 1950’s before the vaccine was made public. My father had polio as a child and it affected him the rest of his life. One leg was shorter than the other, for starters. So when that vaccine came out, you’d better believe my family got in line for it.
I can’t imagine any family not wanting to protect their children. The risks from vaccines are tiny compared to the huge risks that come with contracting these diseases. As someone else mentioned, shot reactions can be controlled. It’s much harder to stop the damage done by a disease like polio.
Hi there- I am an older person with grown children, and for me and for my children, vaccines were totally the norm. The thinking was that if you are not vaccinated, you could come in contact with a person who passes along a very serious illness. Not to be argumentative, but you said you respect a person’s/parent’s right to choose. Doesn’t that choice not to vaccinate infringe on your child’s rights if your child comes into contact with a non-vaccinated person?
I’m not worried about my child coming in contact with a non vaccinated child. Most of the time it’s vaccinated children that develop the disease.
Agreed anon 11:51!!!
True!!
11:51, thank you! A great example of this is the Disney Land outbreak. It was started by a six year old girl who had just received her MMR vaccine and then got the measles from the vaccine.
This is dangerous and completely false. Different opinions do not negate facts here. It’s true that vaccines are not fool proof (neither are seatbelts or bike helmets, but that doesn’t negate the powerful protection they ALL provide.), but it is absolutely false that protected kids spread the diseases more often. Unprotected people catch and spread these dangerous and life-threatening diseases at an exponentially higher rate. No.
3:27, I mean your wrong but if that’s what you want to believe then fine. A child who is not vaccinated can’t just magically get the measles, they have to get it from someone, and that someone typically tends to be a child who was recently vaccinated and is now shedding those diseases. Look at the baby in Alabama who got the measles (she ended up being completely fine, by the way), she got them from another child in her daycare who had just been vaccinated and was shedding her vaccine. But the media decided to blaim antivax parents. How is that logical?
Not true!!
5:14, what do you think is not true?
Am I the only one who can’t see a video?
No I can’t see it either. There’s nothing here!
I was to hear the video.
Interesting take on spreading them out over a longer period of time. We had contemplated that, but chose not to because instead of him being really upset getting 3 shots at once, you have 2 or 3 days were he is upset getting a single shot. My little guy doesn’t like the doctor at all so we try to minimize the number of trips we have to make that have a negative feeling associated.
I am in Canada. When we vaccinated our children it was all paid for. You went to the health unit and had the nurse do the vaccinations, spaced out and at different age groups. Once our children were in school, the vaccinations were done by public health nurses. We would be informed of the date, the vaccine, what it was for and provide signed permission. I believe it is still that way here. I was relieved to read you were vaccinating Little Buddy. I have strong opinions about this as someone with auto immune conditions impacted by those who do not immune. Thank you for your immunizations and helping to prevent diseases. Eileen
What a hot button issue…..you just opened THE can of worms!
We vaccinated our first 4 kids, but our fifth is on a different schedule, and our subsequent kids (in the future) we probably will choose not to vaccinate, till they are older.
Every parent has the freedom to choose, and I respect that!
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I glad our vaccinate litte buddy. ☺
Hi Ellie. I’m glad you are vaccinating your child. It shouldn’t even be a point of discussion. Thank goodness for science. Terrible diseases have been eradicated or prevented through vaccines. I personally had whooping cough as an adult (the vaccine needs topping up, which I didn’t know) and it was terrifying. Aside from possible minor side effects (which none of my children experienced), any concerns regarding the dangers of vaccines (which have been in use for many decades) have been debunked as false. It is simply common sense to protect our children from danger. ps I am not religious but I really enjoy your blog to see different perspectives and opinions.
7:09, your comment is EXTREMELY uneducated. #1, vaccines did not “eradicate” any diseases. #2, just because your children were not personally effected by vaccines, does not mean that other children are not. #3, vaccine ingredients have changed ALOT over the last twenty years, as have the number of doses that are given to children, which by the way, have never undergone proper safety evaluations. #4, read literally any vaccine insert, there are many, many, many side effects and the final one listed on every pamphlet is death. In America since the year 2000 eleven people have died from the measles, but over 400 have died from the vaccine (and that is only counting the cases where it was proven), and thousands of others have received severe injuries (once again only including the proven cases)
Smallpox has existed for at least 3,000 years and was one of the world’s most feared diseases until it was eradicated by a collaborative global vaccination programme led by the World Health Organization. The last known natural case was in Somalia in 1977. Since then, the only known cases were caused by a laboratory accident in 1978 in Birmingham, England, which killed one person and caused a limited outbreak. Smallpox was officially declared eradicated in 1979.
9:51, the smallpox “vaccine” was not a vaccine like people are given today. You were (in more “modern” times) pricked multiple times with a needle that had the virus on the outside of it; not injected with a vaccine that not only contains a virus, but many preservatives that have never had proper safety evaluations. (many of which are know carcinogens) Sadly greed has blinded many people, so rather creating safer vaccines (as has been done in many parts of Europe) America’s pharmaceutical industries have done what is cheaper for them, rather then what is safest for children. Compare Denmark’s vaccine ingredient lists to America’s, as well as their vaccine schedule. It’s very telling.
Most of your house, your car, your phone, etc. is made from substances that are “known carcinogens,” but I don’t see people campaigning against them. Why pick on vaccines? Why not get rid of formaldehyde and polybrominated diphenyl ethers in your house and car? Why not get the beryllium, lead, cadmium, arsenic, and zinc out of your electronics? Why be against toxins one place but not another? Did you floss your teeth today? You were exposed to polyfluoroalkyl, a known carcinogen that’s in dental floss. Another “greedy” industry?
There have been many eradicated diseases that we have never vaccinated for. People don’t drop dead of typhoid, cholera, or the plague anymore either. The CDC now has 72 vaccines on the pediatric schedule. Smallpox was the ONLY one to ever come off the schedule. If vaccines work so well, why are more vaccines required with each passing year rather than less? You would think over time, the population would get healthier. Instead in the same time period of mass vaccination there has been a 32,000% increase in autism spectrum disorder, over 80 new autoimmune diseases, 54% of children have a chronic health condition, and pediatric cancer is a growing problem. Our immune systems are worse than ever. And before someone comments that it is only because of our food and water, please do not give a free pass to the ONE THING that is designed to artificially alter the immune system. Today’s 4 month old babies have had more vaccines than a baby boomer adult has ever had. We have traded acute self-limiting disease for chronic disease. Visit childrenshealthdefense.org
12:50, answer your questions, first of all there is a difference between being around something and injecting it into tournament blood stream. Sadly there are many toxins that aren’t possible to cut out of your life (such as carbon monoxide in your car), however my family has fully removed other toxins from our house by switching out the cleaners that we use, the food we eat, and yes, we even use a different brand of dental floss. There are cover to put on your phone to lower the level of radiation you are exposed to also if you’re interested in looking that up. I’m not only against the toxins in vaccines, nor do I only protest against them. This however was a post talking specifically about vaccines.
My oldest I had him vaccinated on schedule like the Drs wanted and he had no issues, the biggest thing was that he had a sore and he would hit the spot non stop with his hand because it bothered him, I then would put ice on it and give him a small dose of Tylenol or Motrin (approved by Dr) to help him stop hitting that spot. It only lasted for that one day. Personally I will be doing the same with my newest baby, unless this pediatrician recommend otherwise. I think it’s great you are doing what you feel comfortable with and you could find a pediatrician who worked with you. Like I always say “I don’t know if what I’m doing is the right way but it’s what I feel is right and I’m going to do it.” Or as my mom says “there is no right way to be a parent.”
I appreciate you guys being open about your line of thinking and reasoning for vaccinating. While I do respect every individual’s right to choose, when it comes to public health issues that affect the community at large, i think culture comes into it. I live in Asia where it is accepted that public health takes precedence – by not vaccinating your child, you risk your child and also every other child they come into contact with, and that simply is against the values of society here.
Our children were vaccinated on schedule and had no issues. I feel it was an exaggeration to say that children get 12 million vaccinations. I am thankful your son is being vaccinated. I really feel if the parents had the childhood diseases like I did – because the effectiveness of the vaccines was not as good in the 1960’s – there would be fewer issues with the spread of such diseases as measles now. I had mumps when I was 1 year old (I don’t remember them), measles when I was five and chicken pox when I was in fourth grade. I was so sick from chicken pox. I was so thankful when we had our first child that there was a vaccine for that although it was optional then.
I’m not pro-vax, because my son had a serious reaction, and we could have easily lost him. Thank God, he survived, but others haven’t been so fortunate. Many have lost their babies. I’m not anti-vax either, though. Every person, every parent, every family should have the freedom to choose. Whenever life/death is involved, whenever there are risks of permanent damage to one’s health, there should be freedom of choice. Once your child is the one who has a serious reaction, you view those innocent little jabs quite differently. It feels like gambling with your baby’s life/health each and every time that you walk into the office to get another vaccine. I hope for safer vaccines in the future. I also hope for more research, as research has not been conducted with combining vaccines as the schedule calls for. May we all respect one another for the choices that we make in this delicate area of vaccines. I don’t think I could ever look a momma, (who has lost her baby due to vaccines, or cares for her child whose heath was permanently altered due to vaccines) in the face and tell her that she needs to vaccinate her children, because if she doesn’t, she is putting my kids and other kids at risk. How selfish and insensitive that would be.
I agree with everything you said. I had an aunt that almost died from a vaccine that went bad in her. We were all holding our breath. It was that close. So my perception of vaccines was permanently altered but saying that we did do a few vaccines on our children when they were older for travel. So in that way maybe I have a split opinion. Older bodies can handle them so much better in my thinking.
I had a boy who was almost deathly allergic to his first bite of an egg as an infant. So after it was determined he had an egg allergy all his vaccines were adjusted if they had any egg substance in them.
This proves on an individual case by case basis people may have different reactions to vaccines. For other children that the clinic was not controlling the vaccines I decided they were applying too many at once and said no and those were administered over separate visits. Another boy who was a very healthy baby developed an extremely high fever and continuously, cried intensely and arched his back in a kind of agony all night after his first vaccine. I thought I had ruined his good health. He seems to be normal.
Giving a vaccine represents a risk, I don’t care what anyone says about it to placate a parents fears. If a parent feels a gut feeling against vaccines for their child at that time I think they ought to respect that and try to find a healthy compromise and way to go.
I’m happy things are going fine for your baby.
I have read alot about vaccines. My first two children were vaccinated. But the four after that have not had all of the vaccines. I also don’t start until 6 months. We do two vaccines each time starting at 6 months. Besides Vitamin K in the hospital. After age two I feel more comfortable giving more vaccines because their bodies are developed more. I don’t take this issue lightly at all. I am not against vaccines at all but I think they get too many at one time and all of them aren’t necessary. If we lived outside the US then that might change.
I’ve recently had a conversation with one of my children’s doctors about the three most important vaccines to get when my youngest turns 6 months old. And I appreciate his advice. I planned on getting the ones he mentioned anyways.
Like many things in motherhood, there’s a lot of mommy shaming going on and it should not happen. What’s best for your family may not be best for mine. God gave my children to me, and your children to you, and we all have to do what we believe is best for our children.
Ellie, I’m so glad you are vaccinating your son. People who are battling cancer are so immune compromised that a simple childhood disease can have catastrophic consequences. I also had an uncle who spent his life in an iron lung. It was heartbreaking. My family would’ve given anything for a vaccine that could’ve prevented his suffering. Sadly, by the time the polio vaccine hit the market it was too late for him.
It’s nice to see informative comments so far in regards to such a delicate topic. I also agree with spacing them out especially when babies are first born. It is also important however that you know the risks that come along with you delaying that vaccine. I had a doctor who respected my decisions and made sure to go over the risks of my child not having the vaccine at the time. It was refreshing to have a medical professional who didn’t form a strong opinion towards my decision. When we went through the process of selecting a pediatrician, there were some who had their patients follow the recommended schedule and wouldn’t take patients who didn’t.
I’m not trying to come at this from a point of judgment, but I’m curious; how do you as a Christian justify vaccines such as the MMR, that contain aborted baby cells? I know that you are prolife, so just curious as to how you justify that?
Hey Ellie, out of curiosity, did you speak with any mothers of vaccine injured children before you guys made your choice?
I don’t know anyone whose child was injured by vaccines so I was not able to do that.
Ellie
Thank you for responding! If you’re ever interested in learning more from people who have suffered from vaccines firsthand, there are many FB support groups, and educational groups. I never knew anything about vaccine injuries until I was 16 and met my now very close friend who almost died as a child from the MMR vaccine, and now suffers from an autoimmune disorder caused by it. Regardless of whatever side of the debate you’re on, continuing to educate yourself on vaccines is a great thing.
My great-grandmother came to this county looking for opportunity. Instead, she found measles, diptheria, flu, and pneumonia. Those took 3 of her 5 children and then her husband, all in one decade. Can you imagine the heartbreak? My mother had diptheria at 5 years old and although she survived, she came out of the hospital frighteningly skeletal. There are good reasons why vaccines were developed. Those who refuse to vaccinate still have those who do vaccinate to thank for lowering their child’s risk. Otherwise, we’d be back over 100 years ago disease-wise and it would only be a matter of time before every child could be infected again.
I wonder if people are aware of the two different aborted DNA strips (both male and female) that come in most vaccines.. look it up if you’re curious, no one ever talks about it, yet I myself realize God intended us to only carry our own DNA and not inject our bodies with others humans’. Plus, over 80 babies were aborted just to make the one MMR vaccine. Merck-the billion dollar company that makes the vaccines, bribed women in the government in each state to make vaccines mandatory couple years ago… so there you go, it all boils down to money again. I just believe every parent should be able to decide what they want- each parent wants the best for his/her children.
http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm
We eat the DNA of animals every day and some people accept bold transfusions and friends sharing dips might get others dna and people kissing share DNA etc so this point that has been made is not unimportant but just the DNA part how does that rate in comparison with the everyday ideas of things going on I mentioned? But abortion and bribery and monopolization etc are not good. I appreciate this comment and think it is important to know what this person commented. We are pawns in all sorts of stuff and shouldn’t be played for fools.it is right to know about what’s going on.
Appreciate your comment, 3:53. A dr I had after our children were older also told me they put dna of other people in vaccines and henceforth one of the reasons your baby/child will have a personality change or act totally different (not themselves) after a vaccine. This is scary and awful. Who is my child now? This exactly happened to one of mine. She was a happy go lucky child before and the very day I brought her home from her shots she was unhappy, serious and glum. And that’s how she was ever after. We didn’t know what happened to our happy little girlie. And basically now that she’s older, yes, she always looks on the bad side of life and just has more of a glum personality. Strange thing was she never was that way before her shots! Anyway, this was our experience with vaccines.
Shots come at a time when a baby’s or a toddler’s personality is changing rapidly anyway……
My friend is happily running around with a transplanted organ. Talk about having “the DNA of someone else” put in your body. The only thing that could cause a personality change would be the medical scare before and during the transplant, or the combo of drugs you take after. An introduced organ or any “DNA” can’t do that.
Just remember that what affects one person, doesn’t affect another. With vaccines, the DNA is injected along with an adjuvant. The adjuvant is designed to stimulate an immune response to the viral antigen, but it can create an immune response to really anything in the syringe. Autoimmunity is defined as body attacking itself, which is exactly what we are setting up when we inject a vaccine cultured on fetal DNA. Furthermore, many are concerned that injecting XX chromosomes into boys and XY into girls is contributing to the rise in gender confusion in the population.
If people are supposed to choose life set before them, then a system of bribes, lies and scheming the system to make astronomical amounts of money is making free choice a joke in all the smoke and mirrors around.
That’s your opinion, 6:35. I have a family member working in the pharmaceutical industry, producing drugs and vaccines. He’s not taking bribes, lying, or scheming. He has 2 little kids who are vaccinated. Who exactly are you referring to?
None of us would be here unless DNA from another person was put in our mothers’ bodies. There are only two cell lines derived from fetuses theraputically aborted in the 1960’s that are currently in use today for vaccines. The cells are generations and generations away from those first cells, and babies are not currently aborted to make vaccines.
Well the scary thing is that the more those DNA cells multiply, the more prone they are to causing cancer later in the persons life, FDA has that in all their “vaccine side affects” paperwork which doctors don’t give out to you before they ask you to agree for a child’s vaccination.
Possible alternative vaccines: http://www.soundchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat-1.pdf
I did a spread out schedule with my daughter, she does very well with shots and the doctor
Thank goodness you are vaccinating. My kids have been on the normal schedule with no issue. Hopefully you aren’t replaying too much!
Hi Ellie, I was wondering if we can hear from you soon about Mr H’s paintings at the New York venue and how it has gone. Have you or will you go to New York? I am really hoping for successes for you both. Thanks. Eileen
Hi Eileen,
Thanks for asking. It sounds like they are still getting the display all set up. We haven’t gone to New York yet to see them, and it will probably be a little while before we do.
Ellie
Thanks Ellie for answering! I have been thinking about those paintings and wondering about the venue. Thanks for the update.
I think it’s the worst thing you can do for your child and everyone they come in contact with is not vaccinate them! My 3 year old Granddaughter isn’t afraid of any shots, and watches them given. She always is excited to get a sticker afterwards. I personally will never understand why any parent would take the risk of their child from contracting the disease, spreading it to others, and possibly starting a major outbreak of any disease that was pretty much eradicated!